tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1893059037012490058.post8960138082625324295..comments2023-12-28T18:59:58.021-05:00Comments on THE FIFTH COLUMN: A Lesson for PETA in Biology and Ethicsrwwhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00512582677240907287noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1893059037012490058.post-88933344784487893892009-02-27T12:08:00.000-05:002009-02-27T12:08:00.000-05:00Okay, I don't really feel that you're interested i...Okay, I don't really feel that you're interested in engaging me honestly. But I am satisfied with what I have said, so I'll leave it there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1893059037012490058.post-64861965650240193072009-02-27T11:47:00.000-05:002009-02-27T11:47:00.000-05:00The fact that human beings are omnivores is an est...The fact that human beings are omnivores is an established scientific fact. It has not been established that all the bad things people do are the result of human nature. Indeed, the fact that not all people do bad things disproves that.<BR/><BR/>My post was not using PETA as a straw man but was directly aimed at their moralistic argument that it is evil to eat meat because it comes from animals. rwwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00512582677240907287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1893059037012490058.post-71326657328291430142009-02-27T11:33:00.000-05:002009-02-27T11:33:00.000-05:00I think its unfair and disrespectful that you dism...I think its unfair and disrespectful that you dismissed all of my arguments by saying that bad impulses don't count as nature. Our nature is often at odds with what we know is "right". Our nature is often what destroys us. We suffer from fear, addiction, sadism, and tribalism. We are petty and vindictive. We are selfish and can easily turn off our ability for empathy when it is to our Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1893059037012490058.post-36467635887674942872009-02-27T10:59:00.000-05:002009-02-27T10:59:00.000-05:00Well one tactic people always use when they cannot...Well one tactic people always use when they cannot use reason to argue is to set up a false assumption to argue from.<BR/><BR/>The fact that some people refer to what you call "negative impulses" sometimes exhibited by people as "human nature" does not make it so. And basing your whole argument on that destroys any credibility you may have had.<BR/><BR/>The scientific fact is that people are rwwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00512582677240907287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1893059037012490058.post-53802373614996730512009-02-27T10:19:00.000-05:002009-02-27T10:19:00.000-05:00Sorry but there's so much that could be said about...Sorry but there's so much that could be said about your article. I'd also like to address your appeal to nature. That it is not ethical to force an animal (ie, a human) to go against its nature.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if you've noticed or not, but "human nature" is not a wonderful thing. Its always struck me as queer that we refer to so many of our base and primitive impulses -- to lie, take Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1893059037012490058.post-30063932984351951822009-02-26T12:26:00.000-05:002009-02-26T12:26:00.000-05:00I should say, we are no longer obligate omnivores....I should say, we are no longer obligate omnivores. Meat is now a choice, thanks to B12 having become widely available from non-animal sources.<BR/><BR/>Humans can eat humans. Does that make it ethical?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1893059037012490058.post-1213430932148644332009-02-26T12:10:00.000-05:002009-02-26T12:10:00.000-05:00From Voiceless.From <A HREF="http://www.voiceless.org.au/The_Issues/Misc/The_Issues.html" REL="nofollow">Voiceless</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1893059037012490058.post-2203650374631402682009-02-26T11:37:00.000-05:002009-02-26T11:37:00.000-05:00We are omnivores, but we are not obligate omnivore...We are omnivores, but we are not obligate omnivores. So your argument becomes, because we CAN do something, we SHOULD do something. That is not logical.<BR/><BR/>However, let us assume that we SHOULD eat meat. It does not follow that we SHOULD torture animals to get it. And we do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com